Comments on: The Power of Marketing http://dillernet.com/apple/2007/07/09/the-power-of-marketing/ iPhone, Nokia, PDAs, Smartphones, Entourage and the Mac - keeping it all in sync. Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:14:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: dillera http://dillernet.com/apple/2007/07/09/the-power-of-marketing/#comment-150 dillera Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:46:51 +0000 http://dillernet.com/apple/2007/07/09/the-power-of-marketing/#comment-150 James: iPhone can read Word files- just attach one to an email and send it to your friend. As for the exchange, you can use safari to connect to the Exchange webmail service, which is what the 770/800 were doing also. The rest of the serivces that you mention are coming. Think back to what was available for the 770 when it was only out for 4 weeks. Not much. James: iPhone can read Word files- just attach one to an email and send it to your friend.

As for the exchange, you can use safari to connect to the Exchange webmail service, which is what the 770/800 were doing also.

The rest of the serivces that you mention are coming. Think back to what was available for the 770 when it was only out for 4 weeks. Not much.

]]> By: Andi http://dillernet.com/apple/2007/07/09/the-power-of-marketing/#comment-143 Andi Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:11:57 +0000 http://dillernet.com/apple/2007/07/09/the-power-of-marketing/#comment-143 I think the main plus point for an iphone is that it comes totally installed and configured. To do the same things with a Nokia Internet Tablet, you have to spend some time, in searching, installing, configuring and understanding apps. MfG ah I think the main plus point for an iphone is that it comes totally installed and configured.
To do the same things with a Nokia Internet Tablet, you have to spend some time, in searching, installing, configuring and understanding apps.

MfG ah

]]> By: James http://dillernet.com/apple/2007/07/09/the-power-of-marketing/#comment-140 James Thu, 19 Jul 2007 02:37:44 +0000 http://dillernet.com/apple/2007/07/09/the-power-of-marketing/#comment-140 Ok, I can see right now that what you want is a phone with neat features. Not a laptop in you pocket. The iPhone being what it is, is to me useless. The one guy in my office who has one also carries a Treo. Why? because the Treo allows him to get mail. The iPhone won't sync up to the company exchange server. My 770 did, my n800 does. The iPhone doesn't allow me to ssh, IM (multiple services) browse my bank (Safari doesn't work) VPN in, read word docs etc etc. All of these I did on my 770 and do on my n800. I guess it boils down to do you need a phone with PIM or a small laptop with SIP. Ok, I can see right now that what you want is a phone with neat features. Not a laptop in you pocket. The iPhone being what it is, is to me useless. The one guy in my office who has one also carries a Treo. Why? because the Treo allows him to get mail. The iPhone won’t sync up to the company exchange server. My 770 did, my n800 does.

The iPhone doesn’t allow me to ssh, IM (multiple services) browse my bank (Safari doesn’t work) VPN in, read word docs etc etc. All of these I did on my 770 and do on my n800.

I guess it boils down to do you need a phone with PIM or a small laptop with SIP.

]]> By: Next Internet Tablet to include Phone? — The Syncing Apple http://dillernet.com/apple/2007/07/09/the-power-of-marketing/#comment-132 Next Internet Tablet to include Phone? — The Syncing Apple Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:59:03 +0000 http://dillernet.com/apple/2007/07/09/the-power-of-marketing/#comment-132 [...] For all the committed Nokia users out there, hating the iPhone buzz– if you haven’t seen this page yet, give it a look. Why? ’cause someone thinks that The iPhone is a piece of shit, and so is your face. Perhaps Nokia’s answer to the iPhone is already here, it’s just losing marketing game. [...] [...] For all the committed Nokia users out there, hating the iPhone buzz– if you haven’t seen this page yet, give it a look. Why? ’cause someone thinks that The iPhone is a piece of shit, and so is your face. Perhaps Nokia’s answer to the iPhone is already here, it’s just losing marketing game. [...]

]]> By: dillera http://dillernet.com/apple/2007/07/09/the-power-of-marketing/#comment-103 dillera Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:45:30 +0000 http://dillernet.com/apple/2007/07/09/the-power-of-marketing/#comment-103 Jirka: Nearly every blog and news site has columns that work perfectly with iPhone. I'm sure there are other sites out there that can't work as well, but if we are talking about using it as a portable news device, most of the site containing news and info work great w/ iPhone. Obviously any site that relies on flash is out also. I don't think iPhone will follow the iPod upgrade path at all. This really is a PDA, not an iPod. the iPods paved the way for the iPhone. They are much more limited in scope and features as to what they can do. The hardware in them is designed not as a general purpose computing device but as a media player. iPhone is designed as a computer, and has the chips, processing power and flexible OS to accomplish this. I can't see many parallels betwen iPod and iPhone, beyond the fact that they are devices made by Apple. Jirka:
Nearly every blog and news site has columns that work perfectly with iPhone. I’m sure there are other sites out there that can’t work as well, but if we are talking about using it as a portable news device, most of the site containing news and info work great w/ iPhone. Obviously any site that relies on flash is out also.

I don’t think iPhone will follow the iPod upgrade path at all. This really is a PDA, not an iPod. the iPods paved the way for the iPhone. They are much more limited in scope and features as to what they can do. The hardware in them is designed not as a general purpose computing device but as a media player. iPhone is designed as a computer, and has the chips, processing power and flexible OS to accomplish this. I can’t see many parallels betwen iPod and iPhone, beyond the fact that they are devices made by Apple.

]]> By: jirka http://dillernet.com/apple/2007/07/09/the-power-of-marketing/#comment-101 jirka Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:34:50 +0000 http://dillernet.com/apple/2007/07/09/the-power-of-marketing/#comment-101 Unfortunately, many sites don't use collumns (or they have really wide collumns) so most probably the iPhone's approach will not help too much. I am sure that Apple will add features to the iPhone. But question is if they will closely follow the iPod way (you need to buy new device if you have to use additional features - for example an old iPod mini can't use Apple Radio Remote - the hardware is compatible, even the remote works functionality is OK but the integrated radio is unsupported). Unfortunately, many sites don’t use collumns (or they have really wide collumns) so most probably the iPhone’s approach will not help too much.

I am sure that Apple will add features to the iPhone. But question is if they will closely follow the iPod way (you need to buy new device if you have to use additional features - for example an old iPod mini can’t use Apple Radio Remote - the hardware is compatible, even the remote works functionality is OK but the integrated radio is unsupported).

]]> By: dillera http://dillernet.com/apple/2007/07/09/the-power-of-marketing/#comment-100 dillera Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:14:09 +0000 http://dillernet.com/apple/2007/07/09/the-power-of-marketing/#comment-100 The 770 has a better screen yes, but sites look great on iPhone. iPhone renders the entire page, which is of course unreadable. But, nearly all (or all?) textual content on web sites is columnar - so if you do a quick tap on the text column, it zooms up and resizes automatically, and then the font is rendered and is very readable. You have to see it to believe it- it zooms in and out almost instantly. iPhone has bluetooth, but you can't hookup a keyboard (yet?). AFAIK it's just bt headsets that work. But realize that this is just the first release. I'm sure more and more will be added. Can people recall the very first release of ITOS 2005? Every update that followed enabled more and more features. The 770 has a better screen yes, but sites look great on iPhone. iPhone renders the entire page, which is of course unreadable. But, nearly all (or all?) textual content on web sites is columnar - so if you do a quick tap on the text column, it zooms up and resizes automatically, and then the font is rendered and is very readable. You have to see it to believe it- it zooms in and out almost instantly.

iPhone has bluetooth, but you can’t hookup a keyboard (yet?). AFAIK it’s just bt headsets that work. But realize that this is just the first release. I’m sure more and more will be added.

Can people recall the very first release of ITOS 2005? Every update that followed enabled more and more features.

]]> By: jirka http://dillernet.com/apple/2007/07/09/the-power-of-marketing/#comment-99 jirka Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:04:00 +0000 http://dillernet.com/apple/2007/07/09/the-power-of-marketing/#comment-99 But iPhone have to be faster than poor old Nokia 770. Just because the 770 is more than 2 years old. So today the 770 may be several times slower than iPhone but it is also several times cheaper. But what about rendering of web sites? I know that Apple has usually beatiful fonts etc. but the iPhone has 480x320 screen and the 770 has 800x480. So can web sites look better on the iPhone? And it is possible to connect a bluetooth keyboard to the iPhone? I use my 770 for web, email, PIM, ebooks, for writing (I use the Abiword) and for computing (there is a Gnumeric, Mathomatic,...) and also for video (and for work - some structural mechanics and so) every day and I don't see any problems. I can't imagine a better device (the iPhone can be faster for e-mail or for web but it is totally useless for other task). From my point of view the iPhone can't beat the Nokia 770. But iPhone have to be faster than poor old Nokia 770. Just because the 770 is more than 2 years old. So today the 770 may be several times slower than iPhone but it is also several times cheaper.

But what about rendering of web sites? I know that Apple has usually beatiful fonts etc. but the iPhone has 480×320 screen and the 770 has 800×480. So can web sites look better on the iPhone?

And it is possible to connect a bluetooth keyboard to the iPhone?

I use my 770 for web, email, PIM, ebooks, for writing (I use the Abiword) and for computing (there is a Gnumeric, Mathomatic,…) and also for video (and for work - some structural mechanics and so) every day and I don’t see any problems. I can’t imagine a better device (the iPhone can be faster for e-mail or for web but it is totally useless for other task). From my point of view the iPhone can’t beat the Nokia 770.

]]> By: dillera http://dillernet.com/apple/2007/07/09/the-power-of-marketing/#comment-98 dillera Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:27:07 +0000 http://dillernet.com/apple/2007/07/09/the-power-of-marketing/#comment-98 there will be no public SDK for the iphone period. When my company contacted apple about making games for it, they told us that if they want our games on it, they would contact us to do it. The SDK exists, yes, but it will never be public. Apple approached Google to write the apps. After having used the iPhone for a few hours, the only good thing about it is the nice zooming effect. Everything else is destroyed by the N800 in every possible way. there will be no public SDK for the iphone period. When my company contacted apple about making games for it, they told us that if they want our games on it, they would contact us to do it. The SDK exists, yes, but it will never be public. Apple approached Google to write the apps.

After having used the iPhone for a few hours, the only good thing about it is the nice zooming effect. Everything else is destroyed by the N800 in every possible way.

]]> By: dillera http://dillernet.com/apple/2007/07/09/the-power-of-marketing/#comment-97 dillera Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:48:48 +0000 http://dillernet.com/apple/2007/07/09/the-power-of-marketing/#comment-97 The SDK is coming out- there is no way that Apple can refuse to release something. The Google Maps, Weather and Stocks apps all prove that it exists. They are probably waiting for Leopard and Dashcode. The SDK is coming out- there is no way that Apple can refuse to release something. The Google Maps, Weather and Stocks apps all prove that it exists. They are probably waiting for Leopard and Dashcode.

]]> By: dillera http://dillernet.com/apple/2007/07/09/the-power-of-marketing/#comment-96 dillera Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:46:48 +0000 http://dillernet.com/apple/2007/07/09/the-power-of-marketing/#comment-96 Hey- I paid $400 for my N770 when it came out. That's pretty close in cost. The contract price isn't part of the equation- unless you currently don't have a cell phone. I do have a cell phone, and I'm actually paying less now with the special iPhone plans on ATT than I did on Sprint with their data plan. The 770 is nice, don't get me wrong- it's just that it never rendered web pages faster than a glacier melting, and so 80% of what I wanted it for never materialized. Oh, and 10% more was for email, which never worked. The best thing the 770 did (and does) is Ebook reading. Excellent screen. Hey- I paid $400 for my N770 when it came out. That’s pretty close in cost. The contract price isn’t part of the equation- unless you currently don’t have a cell phone. I do have a cell phone, and I’m actually paying less now with the special iPhone plans on ATT than I did on Sprint with their data plan.

The 770 is nice, don’t get me wrong- it’s just that it never rendered web pages faster than a glacier melting, and so 80% of what I wanted it for never materialized. Oh, and 10% more was for email, which never worked. The best thing the 770 did (and does) is Ebook reading. Excellent screen.

]]> By: skeptic http://dillernet.com/apple/2007/07/09/the-power-of-marketing/#comment-95 skeptic Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:23:59 +0000 http://dillernet.com/apple/2007/07/09/the-power-of-marketing/#comment-95 Gosh, a device that costs $500-1000 (after allowing for the contract price) and was just released is reviewed by someone who managed to get one first thing as being more useful than a a device that's more than a year old and just went into clearance at $129 a pop. Using an iphone for ebooks would be nice though. Gosh, a device that costs $500-1000 (after allowing for the contract price) and was just released is reviewed by someone who managed to get one first thing as being more useful than a a device that’s more than a year old and just went into clearance at $129 a pop.

Using an iphone for ebooks would be nice though.

]]> By: turn.self.off http://dillernet.com/apple/2007/07/09/the-power-of-marketing/#comment-94 turn.self.off Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:02:44 +0000 http://dillernet.com/apple/2007/07/09/the-power-of-marketing/#comment-94 i would not hold my breath for a sdk. that is unless a ajax based ebook reader would be acceptable for you... i would not hold my breath for a sdk. that is unless a ajax based ebook reader would be acceptable for you…

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